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It's time to present the new SV2023SE logo...
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... whose author since 2000 is mOOnie / MSB and to announce the date of the summer edition of our event!

SV2023SE will take place from August 17 to August 20, 2023 (Thursday-Sunday).

Since many people ask me about the new venue, I decided to make a quick video to present it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfP9pDicPQ4

A few more words about the new place:

- the new venure is only 1 km from Gedanus!
- 1km to the old town!
- buffet on site!
- free beer without limits!
- small sleeping room on site!
- pizzeria and cafe on the ground floor of the building!
- smoking area
- free parking!
- "Biedronka" market 120m from the party-place!

Staying faithful to ATARI's roots! This is the permanent motto of our event! Since 2000, we've been bringing together all the scenes related to Atari platforms - it's thanks to you that we are the largest multi-Atari platform event under the sign of Mount Fuji in the world!

More details soon :)

Direct link to the event on FB:
https://www.facebook.com/events/1252132545374582
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Sounds, great, Grey!

We´ll be there 8-) !

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@andymanone: great to hear mate! :)

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We are honored to present you the first invitro for the summer edition of Silly Venture 2023SE (August 17-20, 2023, Gdansk/POLAND)!

Platform: Standard Atari XL/XE, with at least 48kb of RAM.

YouTube video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6gQYOugCE4

Pouet: https://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=93793

Have fun watching!

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23.02.2023 13:03
We are honored to present you the first invitro for the summer edition of Silly Venture 2023SE (August 17-20, 2023, Gdansk/POLAND)!

Platform: Standard Atari XL/XE, with at least 48kb of RAM.

YouTube video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6gQYOugCE4

Pouet: https://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=93793

Have fun watching!
Great work! Well done PPs & Buddy 8-) !

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Since a lot of people ask me in private messages about accommodation related to the summer edition of Silly Venture 2023 (and there are also those who already "booked" their favorite places on their own a long time ago), it's time to present a bit more detailed information on this topic. As I mentioned earlier, we plan to have a small sleeping room at the party place, but to this day I have no information on how large a group is interested in such an option - which is important because it will be very limited.
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The first place I suggest is "DOM SONATA":
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"SONATA" Student House (distance from party-place: 400 m)
Łąkowa 1-2 street
80-743 Gdansk
POLAND

phone: +48 58 300 92 60, +48 58 300 92 61
fax: +48 58 300 92 50

e-mail: domsonata@amuz.gda.pl
website: http://www.domsonata.com.pl/

"Dom Sonata" during the academic year serves as a dormitory, while during the holiday season it serves as a hotel facility. It is located in a 4-storey historic 19th-century building on the campus of the Academy of Music in Gdańsk at Łąkowa 1-2 street (exactly in the well-known Dom Muzyka and on the same street as the party place - Łąkowa 35/38 street, Gdańsk).

- 400 m from the party place
- 400 m from the Old Town
- 400 m from the Polish Baltic Philharmonic
- 2 km from the Main Railway Station in Gdańsk
- 12 km from the airport

Due to the so-called "high season" during the summer SV there is no possibility of lowering prices, which are very attractive at the start in this place. Entering the password "ATARI" in the subject of the e-mail will result in booking rooms in the first place.

On the SV date at the moment (07/03/2023) the following rooms are available:
- 6 single rooms
- 14 double rooms
- 16 triple rooms

Room prices:
1-person: 180 PLN
2-person: 245 PLN
3-person: 310 PLN

Each room is equipped with a bathroom with shower, TV, telephone, Wi-Fi, fridge.

There is free parking on site.

The facility does not provide breakfast, but there are vending machines with sandwiches, salads, hot dishes, cold and hot drinks, and sweets.

The second place I suggest is the "DOM MUZYKA":
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DOM MUZYKA HOTEL *** (Distance from party-place: 400 m)
Łąkowa 1-2 street
80-743 Gdansk
POLAND

phone: 58 326 06 00

e-mail: biuro@dommuzyka.pl
website: http://dommuzyka.pl/

Room prices:

Please make reservations using the password "ATARI", preferably to the following e-mail address: biuro@dommuzyka.pl

Thanks to that, you will receive discounts on accommodation as follows:

Single room: 320 PLN ("ATARI" password - 290 PLN) + local tax - 2.80 PLN/day/person
Double: 390 PLN ("ATARI" password - 350 PLN) + local tax - 2.80 PLN/day/person

The room rate includes breakfast and VAT.

Pursuant to the resolution of the City Council, the local tax is not charged in the case of business stays.

For guests of "Dom Muzyka" there is a free, unguarded car park in the closed area of ​​the Academy of Music.

Resetting parking tickets takes place at the reception of "Dom Muzyka".

ATTENTION !!! In case of any problems with booking (or lack of rooms) please let me know - the e-mail address for me is in the "Contact" tab on our website - direct link - https://www.sillyventure.eu/pl/contact-us

Please take into account that August in Gdańsk is quite an attractive month for tourists, so I would advise you not to delay your reservations for too long. Of course, if necessary, I will try to find another accommodation. From the very fact of organizing accommodation, neither I nor anyone from the SV team receives any financial gratification, which is why I am open to your suggestions regarding other places.

Traditional thanks to Hospes for graphic assistance and Unseen Menace for grammar checking ;)

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-> Silly Venture 2023 Invitiation by Desire for Atari XL 8-)

Sehr schöner Soundtrack, erinnert mich ein bisschen an die melancholischen Thalion /Hippel Sounds.....
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During various events this year we had the opportunity to invite participants of other events for the biggest ATARI-only gathering in Poland - Silly Venture 2023SE and WE!

Our ads have appeared on "FOReVER 2023" in Slovakia...
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...as well as "REVISION 2023" in Germany...
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and "GRAWITACJA 2023" in Poland:
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Thank you to the organizers of these events for the opportunity to present our beam-slides and also to the authors of great intros in the form of competition entries for Atari 7800 and Atari XL/XE - Eagle & Heaven.

Atari 7800 Invitro:
Youtube (video): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fptvxtUvpsw
Pouet.NET (download): https://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=94187

Atari XL/XE invitro:
Youtube (video): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFBY6nR ... e=youtu.be
Pouet.NET (download): https://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=94088

But beware: a new, "after party" version is being created! We'll let you know as soon as it's released 🙂

All invitations for SV (older and newer) can be found on the DEMOZOO website: https://demozoo.org/parties/4590/

If you have a profile on POUET.NET, please leave any "trace" there in the comment under these invitros. For us, the organizers, it is not appropriate... you know 😉

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It's been a long time since there was news related to SV, and the time to the party goes inexorably fast... unfortunately health problems got in the way and I wasn't able to keep you updated on everything...

Not all of you know, but the website for the summer edition of Silly Venture has recently been released, and what comes with it - also the attendance list 🙂 I strongly encourage you to sign up! Let's meet at SV2023SE - as you can see from mine example, no one knows what a new day may bring... :roll:

website address:
https://www.sillyventure.eu/en/

direct link to the attendance list: https://www.sillyventure.eu/en/visitors

May the power of ATARI be with you!

p.s. Special hugs to Andymanone and Carsten - for cheering me up in the hard times.

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p.s. Special hugs to Andymanone and Carsten - for cheering me up in the hard times.
Thanks soooo much, my friend, you don´t imagine what it´s means for me!
I wish you all the strength in the world and a lot of energy to pursue your work!
My thoughts and my heart will always be with you and your great visions!

Cheers,
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andY, you can't imagine how happy you made me texting me while I was in the hospital... it was really very kind and unexpected. So I hope to see you at SV this summer. So far I don't see you on the list, but I hope it's just an oversight ;) Thank you in advance! (greets to Anna GBerlin too) ;)

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andY, you can't imagine how happy you made me texting me while I was in the hospital... it was really very kind and unexpected. So I hope to see you at SV this summer. So far I don't see you on the list, but I hope it's just an oversight ;) Thank you in advance! (greets to Anna GBerlin too) ;)
Grey, my friend

As much as I wish we could come, but we are unfortunately in Argentina at the time :(.
But that was also a hard decision, we were there last time in 2019 (before Corona) and Anna has all her friends and family there.....
That's why we decided and prefer to go there ....
I hope you understand this decision in the end.

But nevertheless I will support the SV 2023 Summer Edition of course with a "Strong Supporter Ticket" again 8-) ...

And I still have the SV Winter Edition 2023 on the agenda and that's when I plan to come 8-) !

Hugs,
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Oh, I see. Thanks for sharing all these news with me! No worries, I understand all my Friend <3

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At the Decrunch party (Wrocław/Poland), which ended last weekend, Xeen from the AGENDA group submitted a small intro for Atari XL/XE, which is an invitation to the summer edition of Silly Venture 2023.
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POUET.NET: https://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=94540

Thank you very much!

By the way, we ask everyone who is going to the summer edition of SV to enter on the attendance list.

Direct link to the list: https://www.sillyventure.eu/en/visitors

More news about our event soon!

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At the request of some of you, we added music on the official SV2023SE website - although we wanted to leave it, considering that such feature is very outdated, but since you wanted it to stay - we meet your expectations 🙂 (the "PLAY" button is in the upper right corner ).

Music author: SeaBrush/MSB
Vocals added: Skipp/Nah-Kolor

Link to the official SV2023SE website: https://sillyventure.eu

By the way, we would like to ask people who plan to appear at SV in August to sign up on the attendance list: https://www.sillyventure.eu/en/visitors

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Grey, my big, best friend 8-)

Let me know, when (and where) I can buy a support ticket!

I'm unfortunately not there in person this time, but I support your passion and enthusiasm for all the good years of the Silly Venture!


BR and lots of big hugs,

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@andymanone: Thank you my friend for your concern, for the kind e-mails that allowed me to survive the most difficult period of my illness. I will definitely not forget about it and I can't wait for the next meeting in real life. All the best, take care of yourself.

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@andymanone: Thank you my friend for your concern, for the kind e-mails that allowed me to survive the most difficult period of my illness. I will definitely not forget about it and I can't wait for the next meeting in real life. All the best, take care of yourself.
Always with pleasure from the bottom of my heart!

I hope we'll see us on SV2023 WE!

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@andymanone: thanks <3 I really hope we can meet on Winter edition! The venue most probably will be the same :)

If you still want Andy, you can support SV purchasing any ticket: https://www.sillyventure.eu/en/tickets

Thanks in advance! It will be quite hard for me to organize the event right after the stroke(s), but I will do more than my best.

Hugs from Poland!

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At the ending Atari party Sommarhack in Sweden, another invitation related to the summer edition of our event for Atari XL/XE was presented! It was prepared by the Desire group - Heaven was responsible for the code, Alien for the graphics, while the musical setting was taken care of by Miker, who masterfully "transferred" the cult YM2149 track of Mad Max from Atari ST! (chapeau bas, Michal!).
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Video on YouTube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwNnaad1XxI

POUET:
https://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=94604

ENJOY!

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@andymanone: thanks <3 I really hope we can meet on Winter edition! The venue most probably will be the same :)

If you still want Andy, you can support SV purchasing any ticket: https://www.sillyventure.eu/en/tickets

Thanks in advance! It will be quite hard for me to organize the event right after the stroke(s), but I will do more than my best.

Hugs from Poland!
Grey!

Thanks for the link!
I´m very busy at the moment, lots of challenges in my company at the moment :(, but be sure, I´ll buy a ticket this week!

Lots of hugs back from Berlin!

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I encourage you to order SV2023 T-shirts! We are waiting for your completed forms until July 31st (Monday).

There are 4 colours to choose from (black, navy blue, grey & yellow). The logos from the sleeves "Atari" and "Gdańsk" were transferred to the back.

Project by mOOnie / Mystic Bytes.

PRICE: 22 EUR.

By purchasing a SV2023SE T-shirt, you support the budget of the event related to covering part of the costs. There is not much time left, but I believe that we will succeed!

Thanks in advance!

If you are interested, please fill in the form at the following link:

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIp ... Q/viewform

There is a possibility of personal collection at the event, or shipping by mail. If someone has not received his previous T-shirt, he didn't make it to the party, etc. - don't worry and report this fact to me. Certainly nothing was lost :)

Sorry for the delays.
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@andymanone: <3
Hey Grey :) !

Of course, I have already purchased the Strong Supporter ticket 8-) !

Btw.: Sorry, that I confused you with the list of participants :(!
Unfortunately, I can not personally participate, but my entry in the list should show the solidarity of me to be there "virtually".
(The second one was an accidental double entry, because I thought the first entry was not accepted.)

@T-Shirts: Yes, of course I´m in 8-) !

I've ask Anna too, she also wants to have a SV2k23 Tee, so I'll order two right away 8-) !

Cheers,
and keep up the great spirit of SV <3!

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@andymanone: no worries mate, hope to see You at another SV edition then! :) and thx for purchasing strong support ticket <3

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We are in the process of creating the SV2023SE schedule, but we can already tell you one of its points - Skipp/Nah-Kolor will appear behind the music console with a strong dose of electro, breakbeat & drum'n'bass! Party regulars will surely know Skipp's achievements - this time, especially for SV2023SE, it will be enriched with an Atari thread! :)
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Thanks to mOOnie/MSB for the poster!

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A well-known publisher from Poland - Retronics - joins the SV2023SE prize pool!
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Thank you very much!

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The EVOKE party in Germany, where the summer edition of Silly Venture 2023 was advertised, has just ended. Schlampf managed to take a photo. Thank you!

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And taking this opportunity, I would like to remind you that today (July 31, Monday) is the deadline for ordering T-shirts. There are four colors to choose from (black, navy blue, gray and yellow). The sleeve logos "Atari" and "Gdańsk" have been moved to the back.

Of course, there will be additional pieces available at the party-place, but there is no guarantee as to the availability of a given color and / or size, so it's better not to risk it and reserve a specific t-shirt today!

If you are interested, please fill out the form at the link below:

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIp ... Q/viewform

See you soon! <3 :)

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I would like to remind you that there are a few hours left to order SV2023SE T-shirts.
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There are four colors to choose from: black, navy blue, grey and yellow. The sleeve logos "Atari" and "Gdańsk" have been moved to the back.

Of course, there will be additional pieces available at the party-place, but there is no guarantee as to the availability of a given color and / or size, so it's better not to risk it and reserve a specific shirt now!

T-SHIRTS SV2023SE FORM: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIp ... Q/viewform

See you soon! <3 :)

I also have a kindly request that people who plan to submit their entry in the competition should send the following information via e-mail:

atari(at)sillyventure.eu

Such a message will not be distributed anywhere (who and what), it is only for us. I have to order the statuettes now, so this information will be very valuable to me! (category, platform).

A request also to people who have ready compo entry not to wait until the last minute!

Thank you in advance!

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Hey Grey,

the T-Shirts are already ordered of course 8-) !

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We present to you the schedule - although it is still a beta version, we do not anticipate any major changes so far.

THURSDAY - August 17

at 06:00pm - gates open
at 07:00pm - opening of the first keg of beer (traditionally, for free and no limits!)
at 08:00pm - presentation of demoscene productions from VCS, to XL/XE, ST/STe/TT, PoFo, Lynx, Falcon and Jaguar #1
at 09:30pm - Crazy Compo #1

People who want to help in the preparations for the event are traditionally welcome and desirable :) For you, entry is possible before 18:00.

FRIDAY - August 18

at 11:30am - Friday refreshment with Red Bull! (Red Bull for participants for free!)
at 01:30pm - screening of a film with RJ Mical. you must see this!
at 02:40pm - presentation of demoscene productions from VCS, to XL/XE, ST/STe/TT, PoFo, Lynx, Falcon and Jaguar #2
at 04:15pm - DJ set by Felice / Maggie Team (Great Britain)
at 05:00pm - Dread tournament on Atari ST computers (lead by Jesionen & Arti, Jacek "arbiter")
at 07:00pm - official opening of the event + barbecue
at 07:30pm - Concert Skipp/Nah-Kolor (Poland)
at 10:15pm - Crazy Compo #2

SATURDAY - August 19

at 11:30am - Saturday refreshment with Red Bull! (Red Bull for participants for free!)
at 12:15pm - Surprise ;)
at 01:30pm - TwiSTer - presentation of the new Atari STe card! (lead by Schlampf)
at 02:30pm - Competitions #1 (gfx, msx, wild)
at 05:00pm - Few words about RM 800XL project (lead by Larek)
at 05:30pm - Intro, Demo & Game Compo (all Atari platforms)
at 09:30pm - Demoscene Quiz

SUNDAY - August 20

at 10:30am - announcement of results, awards ceremony
at 02:00pm - closing the gates and... see You at Silly Venture 2023 Winter Edition (7-10 December 2023)!

Thanks to Hospes for preparing the graphics :)

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Re: Silly Venture 2023 SE - Staying faithful to ATARI's roots!

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Ich hab mir wieder ein T-Shirt bestellt, deshalb dieselbe Frage wie letztes Jahr:

Fährt jemand zur SV SE und kommt danach zur Fujiama?
Falls ja, wär's nett wenn du mir mein T-Shirt mitbringen könntest.

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DjayBee hat geschrieben:
06.08.2023 18:55
Ich hab mir wieder ein T-Shirt bestellt, deshalb dieselbe Frage wie letztes Jahr:

Fährt jemand zur SV SE und kommt danach zur Fujiama?
Falls ja, wär's nett wenn du mir mein T-Shirt mitbringen könntest.
Ja, mache ich gerne

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Re: Silly Venture 2023 SE - Staying faithful to ATARI's roots!

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Believe it or not, we already have 10 Atari XL/XE games physically reported, and we have more to come! :) There will be plenty things to play and watch on Atari 8-bit!

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Auch wenn ich gerne dabei gewesen wäre, erfordern die Umstände es, dass ich leider hier in Berlin bleiben werde. Ich bin dennoch bei Euch. Sitze auf dem Sofa und verfolge es im Stream mit.

3 kleine Intros habe ich auch irgendwie zusammengekommen, auch wenn es gerade jcuht so einfach ist.

Viel Spaß allen, die live dabei sind, auch wenn es vielleicht, wie bei mir nur vom Sofa aus ist!
PP´s of STARSOFTBerlin__________github|meine Webseite

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Re: Silly Venture 2023 SE - Staying faithful to ATARI's roots!

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01.08.2023 00:33
I would like to remind you that there are a few hours left to order SV2023SE T-shirts.

[...]

T-SHIRTS SV2023SE FORM: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIp ... Q/viewform
Hi Grey,

I ordered but did not hear back yet to pay for it.
Is this OK or did my order get lost?

cheers
Joachim

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@Grey: For me the same, i found nothing about the ordered t-shirts in my email.

@Carsten: wenn es noch klappt, könntest du vielleicht meine beiden T-Shirts zum nächsten RENO-Treffen mitbringen?

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I'm still waiting on my t-shirts order from last year Silly Venture SummerEdition 2022.

- GREY Large

- BLACK Large

- BROWN Large

- YELLOW Large

- NAVY BLUE L

I know that due to Grey's health issues he hasn't been able to look and ship these again (they were lost initially) , if anybody is at SillyVenture now and going to Fujiama, if possible could you take them with you ?

I hope next year I will finally be able to attend a SillyVenture myself.

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Re: Silly Venture 2023 SE - Staying faithful to ATARI's roots!

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On a different note

"Live stream" as off now (found on Atarionline.pl)

https://m.twitch.tv/felicemaggie

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